Curse

Koning · Oct 20, 2006, 08:23 AM // 08:23

I think killing NM with your wand is all about selecting the last target, and if a NM pops up, quickly press tab+space (attack next target) and start wanding it. (picking NM with mouse is too slow)

but kcp, now i know this (I practised picking last targets and switching to pop ups outside amnoon oasis and it went well) i went down to UW again a couple of times, but everytime i thought i selected the last target, a NM popped up and then i pressed tab+space but it didn't select the NM but ANOTHER aatxe. (so i died

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Am I doing something wrong or am I not selecting last targets? (if so, what are the last targets

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Slainster · Oct 20, 2006, 08:36 AM // 08:36

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Originally Posted by Koning

I think killing NM with your wand is all about selecting the last target, and if a NM pops up, quickly press tab+space (attack next target) and start wanding it. (picking NM with mouse is too slow)

but kcp, now i know this (I practised picking last targets and switching to pop ups outside amnoon oasis and it went well) i went down to UW again a couple of times, but everytime i thought i selected the last target, a NM popped up and then i pressed tab+space but it didn't select the NM but ANOTHER aatxe. (so i died

)

Am I doing something wrong or am I not selecting last targets? (if so, what are the last targets

)

Im doing this as per instructions, have also had an instance where the tab selects an aatxe instead of the NM.. I died

Xethrion · Oct 20, 2006, 09:46 AM // 09:46

Yes, Rend Enchantments removes ALL of your enchantments. Downside to normal chars using it, is that you take a significant amount of damage per monk enchantment you remove. For the nightmares, that means that if they remove 4 or more enchantments off you, they puff into smoke and die.

I'd suggest you play with your sound at max, or use headphones. Nightmares make a distinctive sound whenever they spawn, and it really gives you an advantage, because they'll make the sound BEFORE they jump out of the ground. That equates to about a 1-2s lag time between the sound and when they start casting Rend.

As for what you said bout getting rended while fighting aatxes, always be on the lookout for Nightmares whenever you aggro a new group of aatxes. Look particularly for any new spots on your radar that weren't there a second ago, or hold control and manually look for any Nightmares.

Interrupts wise.. you have to observe how many aatxes are hitting you, then look for the popup of damage from savage slash '-5(Savage Slash)'. Just count those and you should be fine.

Slainster · Oct 20, 2006, 09:58 AM // 09:58

Thanks, that helps loads!

Thanas · Oct 20, 2006, 10:36 AM // 10:36

Am I right in thinking the 5 blood is the rq for -50 offhand allowing you to get max energy?

Slainster · Oct 20, 2006, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by Thanas

Am I right in thinking the 5 blood is the rq for -50 offhand allowing you to get max energy?

That would be correct

Xethrion · Oct 20, 2006, 01:27 PM // 13:27

Another thing I've noted, is that Kcp is able to get away with stuff that I never could

In his video, he is able to hit with the 2nd wand attack when the NM is at about 90% of spell done, and it dies immediately. For me though, even if I hit him then, he will die, but the spell will be cast and I'll get rended.

Lag maybe?

Tainek · Oct 20, 2006, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by Xethrion

Another thing I've noted, is that Kcp is able to get away with stuff that I never could

In his video, he is able to hit with the 2nd wand attack when the NM is at about 90% of spell done, and it dies immediately. For me though, even if I hit him then, he will die, but the spell will be cast and I'll get rended.

Lag maybe?

the progress bar is actually incorrect in showing how far the spell is casted, the spell actually casts slightly before the bar hits full (Tested repeatedly with a laptop + pc and two accounts) he hits it with about 1/4 second to spare

when i get rended (fairly frequently if im tired) i survive 95% of the time, the trick is:

if you know your going to get rended, select the nightmare, but dont move a muscle, wait for the rent to be almost finished , then the nanosecond your enchants go, hit PS, now run back to the ghost (Enson or somthing), and run in circles around him, 2 attaxes will run back, and one will get stuck , now regen, recast, then lure the stuck attaxe back to the other two, and continue

it requires good timing, but the only time i ever die is if its impossible to cast i n between (i.e , an attacks strikes the same time you need to PS)

If your bleeding when you have just PS on you, to prevent death via degen, swap to a +Hp Set (+60) , this gives plentiful time to trap the attaxe and cast mending

Lady Maestro · Oct 20, 2006, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Quick question: why the 60 AL scar pattern? Why not use a lower AL curses scar?

Thanks for the great build and all the time answering our questions!

M

Xethrion · Oct 20, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Tainek

if you know your going to get rended, select the nightmare, but dont move a muscle, wait for the rent to be almost finished , then the nanosecond your enchants go, hit PS, now run back to the ghost (Enson or somthing), and run in circles around him, 2 attaxes will run back, and one will get stuck , now regen, recast, then lure the stuck attaxe back to the other two, and continue

it requires good timing, but the only time i ever die is if its impossible to cast i n between (i.e , an attacks strikes the same time you need to PS)

If your bleeding when you have just PS on you, to prevent death via degen, swap to a +Hp Set (+60) , this gives plentiful time to trap the attaxe and cast mending

Heh, it requires REALLY good timing.. think I might give that a go though, as hitting R after my 2nd wand hit doesn't seem to work for me, the aatxes always manage to catch up the majority of the time..

Yeah, that's what I do. If it's a really long run back, I'll enchant with SB as well, and let the aatxe hit me a few times to heal me as I need it.

Kcp · Oct 20, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Lady Maestro

Quick question: why the 60 AL scar pattern? Why not use a lower AL curses scar?

Thanks for the great build and all the time answering our questions!

M

I thought I would be nice and save an inventory slot for your ectos by telling you not to buy a 15 al face scar of curses

Personally you can use w/e face scar you wish.

You guys that are accidently targetting aatxe instead of nightmares are not starting your target selection by targetting closest ("C") before aggro then tabbing thru to the last aatxe in the group you are planning to aggro. It really is that easy, I wouldn't lie.

Koning · Oct 20, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

Ok, so if I understand right you first need to target closest aatxe with 'c', than tab through till the last aatxe to make sure you have the last and than aggro, and if a NM pops up you quickly press tab+space again to target the next target (and that's the NM).

i was always manually targeting the last one (so i thought i had the right one just by the look) so I might have been wrong all the time.

Kcp · Oct 20, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Ya possibly my mistake, I assumed everyone always targeted closest first, it's just so much easier

Anyways updated guide again, clarified the targeting, and curved running pattern I employ to get enough time to recast enchants.

Knight of Saitin · Oct 20, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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You guys that are accidently targetting aatxe instead of nightmares are not starting your target selection by targetting closest ("C") before aggro then tabbing thru to the last aatxe in the group you are planning to aggro. It really is that easy, I wouldn't lie.

OMFG......this solves a problem for me that I thought I would never get around. I was doing the same thing as Koning and Slainster. I was selecting the last Aatxe in the group and then pressing tab+space. It always ended up on another aatxe.
Thank you for clarifying this KPC and Koning. You made my life just a wee bit easier.

P.S. KPC,
Im really having fun with the FoW solo build, once you get a hang of when the mesmers shatter....the first area is a breeze......still having some probs with the Ether Breakers, but getting the hang of it. I'll be in the forest in no time. Great builds and thanks for posting. This build made me make a necro and spend alot of money outfitting it to do this.
Grats.

{KoS}

Xxalon Tacotu · Oct 21, 2006, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong ????

I can clear the first room, and the squids (usually) now.

However, if I aggro more than about 6 Smites, then I take more damage than SB can heal.

I switch to my 105 health set for the smites, but I have also started to use a 105 set with my FFS + the curses offhand for the 20% enchant mod (instead of the longbow). Should I try my 55 set, or would I just die quicker ???

Coldfires are hit-and-miss, but I'm starting to have more luck in taking them down.

The worst one though, is ANY number of smites, plus a couple of Coldfires. I just get blocked in by Smites, then maelstrom'd by coldfires, then die.

It looks so easy in the vids, but I find it almost impossible in practise.

I use a full 15AL set (inc 15AL scar pattern).

Thanks for any help offered.

Kcp · Oct 21, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by Xxalon Tacotu

Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong ????

I can clear the first room, and the squids (usually) now.

However, if I aggro more than about 6 Smites, then I take more damage than SB can heal.

I switch to my 105 health set for the smites, but I have also started to use a 105 set with my FFS + the curses offhand for the 20% enchant mod (instead of the longbow). Should I try my 55 set, or would I just die quicker ???

Coldfires are hit-and-miss, but I'm starting to have more luck in taking them down.

The worst one though, is ANY number of smites, plus a couple of Coldfires. I just get blocked in by Smites, then maelstrom'd by coldfires, then die.

It looks so easy in the vids, but I find it almost impossible in practise.

I use a full 15AL set (inc 15AL scar pattern).

Thanks for any help offered.

You should be able to tank an infinite amount of enemies. If you could gather every single smite in the area you should be able to tank them all w/o any problems. Yes theoretically you could get spiked down with spirit bond up, but the chance is so small its not even worth worrying about. You are probably not keeping spirit bond maintained constantly.

You're getting stuck while refreshing PS and SB correct? Don't run a long distance with smites following you, then stop to cast PS and sb and let them surround you, especially in a coldfire patrol route. Cast and move, cast and move as you are gathering. Do Not stop until you have gathered what you plan on killing all at once.

If you do get stuck and know for a fact that coldfires will come your way, go ahead and switch to your 20% enchant weapon and just tank the maelstorms. Focus on taking out the coldfires first after the maelstorms end. You can refresh PS and SB in 2-3 maeslstorms at a time. Just recast as often as possible in case it gets interrupted. You will only have to get 1 cast of PS off during the storm and a couple spirit bond refreshes then the maelstorms will end and you can kill the coldfires, then focus on the smites that are surrounding you.

It really is that easy once you get to the smites....the hard part was the aatxe.........

Suxipo · Oct 21, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Thanks for the build and your time in writing this detailed guide, kcb.

I still can't get pass the first chamber as either my enchantments get rended or I die when trying to kill aatxe. For the later, I following your guide and cast few mending to trigger interrupt but 3 mendings = no energy. I dont have the energy boost 15AL armor set from Factions since my Necro is from Prophecies. Do you think 30AL is fine?

Tainek · Oct 21, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Suxipo

Thanks for the build and your time in writing this detailed guide, kcb.

I still can't get pass the first chamber as either my enchantments get rended or I die when trying to kill aatxe. For the later, I following your guide and cast few mending to trigger interrupt but 3 mendings = no energy. I dont have the energy boost 15AL armor set from Factions since my Necro is from Prophecies. Do you think 30AL is fine?

no, you need 15 AL, or you will get raped by grasps

Xxalon Tacotu · Oct 22, 2006, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Thanks yet again kcp.

Following your advice, I managed to do an almost complete run tonight.

Took down all the Aatxes, survived 2 rendings (1 from double-spawn), and took down all but the last group of Smites. Eventually got Maelstrom'd to death again by Coldfires on my way to the last group.

3k, one near perfect gold hammer, and 3 ecto's. Not bad for one run.

Thanks again for the awesome guide, and even more so for offering help and advice above and beyond the guide.

Black Destroyer · Oct 22, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

i ALWAYS get rended, so i get rended around 3-5 times in the room...
it's to dangerous to kill the nighmares with your wand